Posts by Sea Breeze

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Watchtower Says Their Writings Are Part of the Bible and Are Essential For Salvation

by Sea Breeze in

hard to believe, but it's true:watchtower december 15, 2008, pg.

28 – “our coming to know "the truth‟ - the entire body of christian teachings that has become part of the bible - and adhering to it are essential for our salvation”.this is the same position of the roman catholic church.

one of the pope’s titles is the vicar of christ.

Sea Breeze

Every JW knows that the term "The Truth" is a code phrase for the organization and their publications. Outsiders wouldn't catch it. But, I believe it is clear that the WT is placing their own writings at the same level as the bible here.

If I was an active JW, that is how I would have interpreted that statement.

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Watchtower Says Their Writings Are Part of the Bible and Are Essential For Salvation

by Sea Breeze in

hard to believe, but it's true:watchtower december 15, 2008, pg.

28 – “our coming to know "the truth‟ - the entire body of christian teachings that has become part of the bible - and adhering to it are essential for our salvation”.this is the same position of the roman catholic church.

one of the pope’s titles is the vicar of christ.

Sea Breeze

The problem with viewing Watchtower's writings being part of the bible is that eventually you have to rip out old pages from the "bible".

In 1981, anyone that felt the Slave did not include ALL the 144,000 were described as indulging in "self-deception".

"The objectors may argue that not all of Christ's anointed disciples have a share in preparing the spiritual food, so that perhaps the "slave" pictures only the leading ones, and the "domestics" those they serve in the congregation.

There is no point in trying to force an interpretation of the parable. Self-deception is of no benefit and is spiritually damaging. ... Thus we see a clear Scriptural basis for saying that all anointed followers of Christ Jesus make up God's "servant," with Jesus as its Master." Watchtower 1981 Mar 1 pp.24-26

But just a few years later, what was once self-deception and "part of the bible" had to be ripped out when they said just the opposite and claimed the GB were the F&DS.

""Who Really Is the Faithful and Discreet Slave?"

... From 1919 on, there has always been a small group of anointed Christians at the world headquarters of Jehovah’s Witnesses. They have supervised our worldwide preaching work and have been directly involved in preparing and dispensing spiritual food. In recent years, that group has been closely identified with the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses." 2012 Annual meeting jw.org 10th Nov 2012.

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Watchtower Says Their Writings Are Part of the Bible and Are Essential For Salvation

by Sea Breeze in

hard to believe, but it's true:watchtower december 15, 2008, pg.

28 – “our coming to know "the truth‟ - the entire body of christian teachings that has become part of the bible - and adhering to it are essential for our salvation”.this is the same position of the roman catholic church.

one of the pope’s titles is the vicar of christ.

Sea Breeze

Hard to believe, but it's true:

Watchtower December 15, 2008, pg. 28 – “Our coming to know "the truth‟ - the entire body of Christian teachings that has become part of the Bible - and adhering to it are essential for our salvation”.

This is the same position of the Roman Catholic Church.

One of the Pope’s titles is the Vicar of Christ. The word vicar comes from the Latin word vicarius meaning substitution. The on-line version of the Pocket Catholic Dictionary defines the Vicar of Christ as: “The Pope, visible head of the Church on earth, acting for and in the place of Christ”.

1994 Catholic Catechism Paragraph # 82 - As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the Holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence.

The Roman Catholic Church demands their own traditions be revered as if they are the word of God. Of course these traditions include naming Mary as Co-Mediator with Christ.

The Watchtower treats the Governing Body as a co-mediator just as the RCC names Mary as one.

Both organizations blasphemously teach that there is no salvation outside of their church.

Interesting correlation isn't it?

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Mental Health

by Vanderhoven7 in

this psychiatrist makes sense to me.. https://youtu.be/l5wcqc6m-gi.

Sea Breeze

Bergman is a former Jehovah's Witness elder with six university degrees. Really smart man. He grew up in it, but caught on the the grift early on while still young.

He is one of the most fascinatiing former JW's out there.

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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

by Sea Breeze in

here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

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Sea Breeze

people just want and got to have Jesus as their mediator just as they want to and got to go to heaven. It is all about their wants.

@Rattigan

No, it is not. It is a matter of obedience and survival.

Jesus is Mediator of the New Covenant... the one that is "for forgiveness of sins" described in Mt. 26: 27-28

When we accept Jesus and his offer of forgiveness in the NC, we have a righteous standing before God. It is called Justification. The WT teaches that their members cannot be Justified. This is the problem and why it is such a BIG DEAL.

Romans 5: 9 - having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

This scripture plainly says that you must be justified to escape wrath. JW's are not Justified. Their church prevents them from being Justified. So, according to the above scripture in Romans 5: 9, How do you personally plan to escape the wrath of God without being Justified by the blood of the covenant?

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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

by Sea Breeze in

here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

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Sea Breeze

@ LV101 - Satan ruled the world by means of the sin nature that was passed down. After Jesus died, a new creature appeared on the earth. One that had never before been seen. A human being with a dual nature. A fleshly sin nature AND a sinless spirit nature, hence the term born again.

When I grew up, all I ever heard my family talk about was how Satan was in total control of the governments of the earth. They reasoned: How else could Satan have offerd them to Jesus?

But here, after Calvary - scripture says Jesus is the ruler of kings.

Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. - Rev. 1: 5

To what extent he allows them to proceed with wickedness, or cuts short their reign and so forth, I don't know.

But, one thing is for sure, Jesus is ultimately in total control.

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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

by Sea Breeze in

here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

.

Sea Breeze

2 Cor. 5: 21

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

But WT says we can't be righteous until we:

1. Only listen to the GB and do everything they say

2. Survive the GT

3. And work for it another 1000 years in the Millinnium

Romans 8: 1 - Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Romans 5: 1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

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Scriptures That Don’t Fit WT Theology

by Sea Breeze in

here’s a couple good ones: a. jesus said, “come to me and i will give you rest”.. why did jesus command us to go to him and not jehovah?.

why does the bible say that the name of jesus is above every name?

.

Sea Breeze

Blotty,

Please start your own thread. You are off topic.

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Biden running in 2024 🤣

by LoveUniHateExams in

i've filed this under news and world events, although i could've posted it under entertainment, lol.

apparently, joe biden will be seeking re-election for another term in the white house.. this, despite a recent poll showing that 70% of people don't want him to run again.. biden just has to be the worst president i've seen.

his gaffes, over-relience on a prompter, and, more than any other president, his refusal to answer journalists' questions, all go to make him top of the list in terms of bad presidents.. it will certainly provide entertainment, if nothing else..

Sea Breeze

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New System

by Gman2001 in

jehovah has to kill 9 billion humans in the big a. does anyone remember any talks on the actual logistics of "day 2"?

with no infrastructure it sounds like gb style madmax..

Sea Breeze

jesus loves us all. Thats why his Dad is going to kill everybody.

I hope you are being facitious Stan. God is the embodiment of Love. He gave his only son as a propitiation for sin.... for whom ever wants it.

Eventually, this age will come to a close, God will evacuate & resurrect those that accept his offer for Salvation during the church age, and the GT will begin. But, in reading the scriptures, it is obvious that vast numbers of people will have a change of heart and will be saved in the GT too.

But ultimately, God will be forced to give some people what they want at any cost.... freedom from himself. It is the place where free-will meets justice after all efforts of reconciliation between God and man has failed.

But, one thing that we won't see is any of the GB running around with crowns on their coconuts smashing people to pieces.... especially Tony. The attack of the clones will not happen: